Deadstream Guy, I knew Andy Ammann too. I have had two of his line of English Setter dogs. The first one Chloe came from his dog Patches, famous in its own right. I had wanted a Setter for years and at one of our Michigan Sharp-tailed Grouse Assoc. meetings/field trips talked with Andy about getting one of his dogs. It worked out the following spring, that in 1991. At that meeting I got Andy to sign my copy of The Prairie Grouse of Michigan, 1957 and consider it one of my favorite books, right up there with my signed copy of Harry Chapins Poem book I got from him at a concert. Our second Setter from Andy's line of dogs is sleeping on the couch in the living room as usual.